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apanderson



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:33 pm    Post subject: Can't find ... (Hamilton West or Wellhall Cemetery) Reply with quote



Grandson of James & Margaret Sommerville (nee Kilpatrick)

or



Son of Otto & Letitia Bona

Any suggestions?

Anne
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mhomac



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Anne
Have a look at Service # 1579427 for Victor Jack Trafford Allen on CWGC site. He's also listed in SNWM. He may well have been known as Jackie by grandparents.
Although he is buried in Herefordshire his place of birth is given as Hamilton, Lanarkshire.
This could well be your man! Hope so.
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Morag.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well found Morag

I think that's got to be him.

Thank you - one down, one to go!!

Anne
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad to be of help to you. I owed you one anyway!

Working on the other one for you. Found his birth 19 July 1882 at Maryhill, Glasgow and his marriage to Maud Lang in 1914 at Partick, Glasgow. His father is shown as Otta and he was a Corporal in the Royal Artillery.

I'll keep searching.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He was RNR and died after the end of the war, so would he still be expected to be listed on CWGC?

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh dear knows Paul!

I can't keep up with who's 'allowed' and who's 'not allowed' (so to speak).

I suppose his death certificate might answer whether he died 'due to' etc., etc.

Anne Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Anne,
Conrad Carl Bona died 20 December 1918 at Great Crosby near Liverpool.
Death is registered in Oct./Nov./Dec/ deaths register. He is listed as aged 35 years, District..West Derby..Volume 8b and page 503.
Needs someone to look at actual record and get details. Maybe Rootsweb?
Also..
National Probate Calendar(Index of wills and administrations) 1861-1941 has recorded....
Bona, Conrad Carl of HMS Aquitania, England, Sub Lieutenant RNR died 20/12/1918 at Great Crosby near Livwerpool. Confirmation of Maud Elizabeth Lang or Bona widow. Sealed London 20 August. That must be his will "signed off" and stored somewhere or maybe someone knows better what this all means!
Hope this helps and his death record might be the best piece of real info.
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Morag.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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He was RNR and died after the end of the war, so would he still be expected to be listed on CWGC?

It would depend on the circumstances of his service and death.

A medal record exists for Bona which suggests he was in the Mercantile Marine.
Nothing to show him in RNR, although he may have been
RNR men are also simply civilians, unless embodied into the RN. During WW1 civilians do not qualify as war deaths, except members of some organisations, in certain circumstances only.

That being the case Bona could only qualify for war death status if he had died whilst working under Royal Navy control, and only if he died of war related causes, generally this would involve hositle action by an enemy. He died after the war ended.

The probate record also suggests he was a civilian. It mentions HMS Aquitania. This is the Cunard liner RMS Aquitania ( sister ship of Lusitania), which was in government service as a hospital and later a troop transport. I appears she was engaged transporting Americans home immediatly after the Armistice.

You would need a DC and service details in order to get anywhere with this.
Gravestones are often wrongly detailed by families, as you will know. Often the facts were " improved " by relatives.
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apanderson



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 12, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks very much to everybody who's helped here.

I've got a couple more photos to upload onto the Hamilton West thread and once that's done, I'll cross reference the threads.

Anne
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