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Unidentified names in Birnie Churchyard, Moray

 
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Adam Brown



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 9:23 pm    Post subject: Unidentified names in Birnie Churchyard, Moray Reply with quote

This headstone posted by Roxy has been bothering me since I saw it earlier. The men are not Frederick and George McAllum. That must be the mother's maiden name. There's certainly no-one with that name in the Morayshire Roll of Honour.



Do we know which war memorial is nearest Birnie Churchyard, is it Elgin?

Perhaps we could narrow it down that way? Look for two men with the same surname on that war memorial who's christian names begin with F and G.

Would the 1901 census help at all?

Adam
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spoons



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I used Geoff's search engine for CWGC to see if there was anyone who had Louisa McAllum (also tried McCallum) but no luck so I guess she is not listed as a parent (at least under her maiden name). I reckon the way forward would be to find her marriage entry to find the married name.

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Roxy



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is a War Memorial at Birnie; there are no casualties named Fred or George. Elgin is the nearest large town/city. I will check names from that WM.

Roxy
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a wee look on Scotland's People for a marriage: (the whole of Scotland)

You searched for: Male Surname: ""; Use Male Soundex: Off; Male Forename: ""; Female Surname: "M*c*allum"; Use Female Soundex: Off; Female Forename: "Louisa*"; Year From: 1875; Year To: 1900;

2 Results showed up

1 1894 WOOD ANDREW MCCALLUM JESSIE LOUISA LEITH SOUTH EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 692/02 0249 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
2 1885 HUNTER JOHN GUNNING MCCALLUM LOUISA NEWINGTON EDINBURGH CITY/MIDLOTHIAN 685/05 0124 VIEW (5 CREDITS) ORDER
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

BINGO!!!!

Name: DAWE
Initials: F W H
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Prince of Wales' Own Civil Service Rifles)
Unit Text: 15th Bn.
Age: 33
Date of Death: 26/08/1918
Service No: 530024
Additional information: Son of Thomas Robert and Louisa Dawe, of 30, South College St., Elgin.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: III. F. 51.
Cemetery: DAOURS COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION

No sign of George on CWGC but there is this on SNWM but there's an 's' on the end of the surname and this George was born in Ayr.

Surname DAWES
Firstname George
Service Number S/5613
Date Death 26/03/1918
Decoration
Place of birth Ayr
Other 4th Bn.
SNWM roll THE SEAFORTH HIGHLANDERS
Rank Pte
Theatre of death F.& F.

Anne Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy
(Extremely pleased with herself!!)

P.S.
I got the surname from Scotland People:

You searched for: Surname: "m*c*allum"; Use Soundex: Off; Forename: "louisa*"; Sex: "Female"; Year From: 1855; Year To: 2006; Age From: 71; Age To: 73; Include Unrecorded Ages: Off; County: MORAY;
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spoons



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 1901 census shows Louisa living with her two sons in Hammersmith. The 'missing' son is Thomas G Dawe.

PM me if you want the census page and I will email it, I think ancestry get a bit funny about their copywrite.

I reckon this is your man:

Name: DAWE, THOMAS GEORGE
Initials: T G
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Serjeant
Regiment/Service: London Regiment (Prince of Wales' Own Civil Service Rifles)
Unit Text: 1st/15th Bn.
Secondary Regiment: London Regiment (Queen Victoria's Rifles)
Secondary Unit Text: posted to 2nd/9th Bn.
Date of Death: 26/09/1917
Service No: 530011
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: Panel 152.
Memorial: TYNE COT MEMORIAL
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Roxy



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 8:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I seem to have missed how we got from Louisa McAllum in Elgin to Louisa Dawe in Hammersmith. Can a clever person explain? Please.

Roxy Embarassed
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Roxy,

It's usually me who's lost so welcome to my wee club!!

Paul must have access to the 1901 Cencus and when I found out her married name (by finding the death of a Louisa Unknown with an other name of McAllum in Morayshire on Scotland's People), he then searched for a Louisa Dawe of an appropriate age who had sons which matched the ones we knew about.

Does that make sense?

Anne
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Roxy



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PostPosted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 4:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anne,

Just about!

Thanks.

Roxy
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Adam Brown



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well done everyone. Thank goodness some folk around here know how to use the 1901 census. I haven't a clue so I was counting on someone else working it out Embarassed

I've checked the Morayshire RoH and neither man is listed so I'd be surprised if they are on any local war memorial. It looks like the Dawes moved to Elgin after the war.

Did you notice both brothers were in the 1/15th London Regiment. Their numbers were 530011 and 530024 so they must have joined up together. Thomas George died in the 2/9th Bn LR though.

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